Curse

X Cytherea X · Sep 11, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

yeah, but yan was the first to play it. so its his right to name it.

he can call it whatever, nobody has to use the name if they run something similar (i wouldnt, tho)

...

ANYWAY, here is my new epic combo:

[skill]augury of death[/skill][skill]black mantis thrust[/skill][skill]jungle strike[/skill][skill]trampling ox[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]remove hex[/skill][skill]mending touch[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

loads of raw damage and a deepwound. you can spam trampling and moebius at below 1/2. plus it looks frickin brutal in action. if augury triggers, you will teleport. continue whichever step of the combo is next (all of which is unconditional in order to hit, although BMT cripple needs augury, JS bonus dmg needs cripple and TO kd needs cripple...not hard to meet the requirements tho)

and still some space for utility!

Yanman.be · Sep 11, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

I don't care about the name, I just want to make sure they know how much effort I put in inventing, promoting and defending the build ( as you all know(!)) . I certainly did not copy it.

craigrs84 · Sep 11, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

very nice build cytherea

fireflyry · Sep 11, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Yanman, I've been trolling these forums for quite some time before joining/posting and your contribution here has always been outstanding so please take no offense.

You were'nt the first person to come up with that build, you were the first to post it on this forum.

Big difference.

Either way it still kicks ass and good luck to you.

Coloneh · Sep 11, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

fireflyry. usually when someone says they invented a build they are making stuf up. but your wrong on this one. thats yan's build, he made it like, what, 3 hours after the campaign came out?

Yanman.be · Sep 11, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Oh this is like the Gray vs Bell discussion all over again.

I invented the combo myself, people didn't use sin hexes back then, certainly not to start your chain with. Having no lead attack was quite a revolution as well.

The one claiming credit first >>> the one claiming he made it first, but didn't bother getting credit.
*edit*
/*Coloneh*\ I posted it the seventh of july...Factions was released on 28-april-06. So that's more than 3 hours

. I had the build ready in may, but I didn't bother posting it untill I was certain there was no better skill to take. Various game balance updates also postponed the publication.

Bobby2 · Sep 12, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

This is not a Yanssassin thread now is it?

The whole 'no-lead' thing really stuck though, BLS and BSS having the same prereq and neither being elite opened up quite some doors since NF came out (SP Sins in particular). Figure if [skill]Golden Phoenix Strike[/skill] had a sister we'd see just as much, if not more, AoD Sins.

Coloneh · Sep 12, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02

o, i thought i read you say that somewhere, my bad

fireflyry · Sep 12, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

lol

To claim such an obvious skill chain combo and build as "your" invention is purely illogical.It's like somebody naming and claiming the CritScythe after the EotN skills were released purely because they posted it here before anybody else did while also claiming anyone else who there after used that build was obviously copying them.

Seriously....

I have seen your builds in use in game before you posted them but kudos for bringing it to the masses of Guru and I've always enjoyed reading and learning from your well thought out posts.I just think trying to claim total and absolute credit and trying to trademark obvious builds due to no more than posting them here first is rather humorous.Saying people using the same or similar builds are copying you because "your" builds are so good is just pure egotism.

I've never seen that attitude on any of the other builds posted here.

Anyway....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

I think the most damaging chain is
[skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]

Agreed.

You could go nuts on a longer chain, Impale swap out TF/SotS, etc, but I agree with the spike above being the best and most effective spike while allowing for utility slots.

Yanman.be · Sep 12, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

I know it's stupid to claim a build. But what's even more stupid is people trying to say I copied it from someone else...that really infuriates me.

X Cytherea X · Sep 12, 2007, 11:15 AM // 11:15

yea i believe you didnt copy tho

SOOOOOOooooo.....

about a/x spike builds? i think trampling ox is giving horns of the ox a run for its money as the kd of choice, being more damaging.

and given the ridiculous nerfage BSS has gotten (first a damage nerf then an energy nerf), and the fact that it is less damaging than both falling lotus and falling spider, maybe there is a new badass combo that will arise. be creative!

i havent done the math yet, but for starters, *points to build posted at top of page*

Sakura Az · Sep 12, 2007, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Try this one

12+1+1 dagger
10+3 critical
8+1 deadly
healing prayers 2

vamp daggers of fort and daggers of enchanting for using restful breeze
radient insignias

shadow prison {E}
dark prison
Black mantis strike
jungle Strike
Trampling Ox
Falling lotus strike
Blades of steel
Restful breeze

basicly... you can spike nearly anyone every 15 seconds, just shadowstep and use the combo in order, so long as they don't block they will die. you may have to hit warriors a few times, or just hit them again with black mantis strike.

This an AB build.. i spent an entire game with most of the kurz screaming at me because i would kill one of them every 15 seconds.

fireflyry · Sep 12, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I know it's stupid to claim a build. But what's even more stupid is people trying to say I copied it from someone else...that really infuriates me.

Now that I can completely understand.

Laenavesse · Sep 14, 2007, 11:42 AM // 11:42

if there is NO HEALING >_>!

16 Deadly
9 Dagger
8 Crit
rest Shadow

Jagged Strike
Wild Strike
Vampiric Assault
Impale
Signet of Deadly Corruption
Poison Tip Signet [applied before the chain even starts]

If you wanted to toss in Temple Strike just to have the extra 19 damage from the signet (it gives 111 for 3 conditions, max is 130) then yeah. But this thing packs a punch o_o Warriors are taken down to less than 100 hp so just needed a few thwacks. Softies just go bye bye. Cept monks. Conditions removal takes out the "spike" at the end. It WILL kill monks though..it just takes longer than would be liked. It doesn't help them heal their teammates at least ;D For monks, the KDs are what own them (and daze..in fact daze AND KD is like overkill).

I'm not going to take full credit for this. My original idea was using Entangling Asp instead of poison tip (which works just as well..brings a KD, just longer recharge) and it was still in the experimental phase (Virulence...). I had read about the poison tip signet from another thread and tried it out. I like both xD And it was on the same wavelength so..it's an idea that more than one person came up with ^^

Sqube · Sep 14, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Laenavesse, that build is not the most damaging. It's got decent lifesteal and armor ignoring damage from Vampiric Assault, but I feel very confident that BLS --> TF --> BSS --> BoS is superior. Of course, I don't have EotN yet, so I can't take it to the Isle of the Nameless and test it out.

And while conditions are always good, they form the core of the damage in your build. You seem to be relying on conditions to cause damage over time. Monks heal. More importantly, condition removal will take all the bite out of your build.

You need a significant amount of +damage to wreak havoc with a build.

fireflyry · Sep 14, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

I have to agree.

A DM build without BoS is losing to much spike damage imo.

The chances of getting it's return(120), I see this thread has become more PvP orientated, as opposed to Signet of Deadly Corruption (which your only getting 111 on in a best case scenario) is far greater.

Bigger spike, no reliance on the opposition not having condition removal which as said above will kill your spike.

Imo you don't want to put the control of your spikes potential DPS in the hands of your target.

Icy DS · Sep 17, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

K so i am laying claim to this chain then (you can also use MY extra special version subing twisting fangs for horns of the ox) and calling it the Icy DS'sin

FROM THIS MOMENT FORTH ANY ASSASSIN BUILDS THAT USE EITHER BLACK LOTUS STRIKE OR BLACK SPIDER STRIKE ARE NOW KNOWN AS THE ICY DS'SIN

[skill]Black Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Twisting Fangs[/skill][skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill][skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]

Bobby2 · Sep 17, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

lol! I got 3 different IcyDS builds! kthxbye

Seriously, the dmg on BSS is somewhat underwhelming. I suppose with Mark of Instability, TF could cause KD - that way you can take Falling Spider i/o BSS - but the build loses some of its versatility.

xaleo21 · Sep 23, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Hexes are like crack. When they're out and there are no more on the enemy, most chains just stop.
Enchants just distract ye and are best left to Dervs (if you think meleers should really have enchants [<.<] )
Just Death Blossom -> eMoebius Strike... it's fast and nearly free if you're Crit enough... and Zealous...

Bobby2 · Sep 23, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

There's more to Sins than DB spamming. Not?